Dear email writers,

Thank you for your note to Don Spitz, webmaster of www.armyofgod.com. He

has forwarded your note to me to reply on behalf of our mutual interest. My

site is www.panews.org, which stands for Prayer & Action News.

I am sending you this rough draft of my responses to you, before posting

them on my website, to enable you to do two things:

(1) to respond to my reply, if you have any further rebuttal, comments,

or questions, and to have your response included with my posting; and

(2) to let me know if you would rather not be identified on my site. So

far as I know I am not satisfying some legal requirement by offering you

this choice -- by writing, I think you create a presumption that it is your

intention to go on record -- but I want to double check with you as a

courtesy. I will remove your name and email address from this article if you

ask; otherwise I will assume you meant to have your position published.

I am sorry that I have not had the time I had hoped to better organize

these responses by subject, but some of you seem anxious for a response so I

wanted to get this out in a hurry. I think this batch contains 48 emails. I

have another 30 or so I haven't answered yet; actually the first few hundred

Don received, after the ABC job on him, were deleted for lack of time to

address them, which is why I volunteered. (Another couple of hundred were

automatically deleted by a program which sends anything with the curse words

Don has entered to the "delete" file.)

I sent this same file to Don already, so that if there are any replies

he feels should be different, he can let you and/or me know.

Fairly soon I will be posting the transcript of the 20/20 story, with

background facts and my analysis. I am grateful to each of you for providing

a "survey" of those objections to our position which most Americans need to

have addressed. I will appreciate ongoing dialogue with you.

In Jesus' Name (Col 3:17) Dave Leach

We ask God to Bless America. I would like to make that a more

realistic hope, by encouraging Americans to stop murdering their unborn. ~

But when 250 anthrax threats were mailed to abortion centers

recently, closing them for a day or two, that was not a good way to close

them. Unfortunately, until a good way is found, a bad way is better than

no way. 4,000 lost lives in New York was a terrible loss. But twice that

many are lost in a week of abortions.~

When the news reports an unusual position like mine, without

reporting my reasoning for it, I am portrayed as radical. If they say I

base it on Scripture, without saying which Scripture, or my basis for my

interpretation, I look even more fanatic, to twist the Bible into a call for

violence!~

Luke 1 says the 6-months-along John recognized the voice of the

mother of the embryonic Jesus and leaped for joy, proving humans have

advanced consciousness even in the womb. In Psalm 139, the most powerful

King of his time describes his own development in the womb as if it were

HIM in there from the beginning, not some blob which later turned into

him. In Jeremiah 1, God assigned him a life's work even before his

conception. Leviticus 20 warns of judgment upon every man who fails to

prevent a neighbor from killing her own child.~

But the Scripture which most moves me is the Old Testament version

of the Luke 10 story of The Good Samaritan. Proverbs 24:11-12 launched

Operation Rescue over a decade ago: "Rescue those being led away to

death; hold back those staggering toward slaughter. Don't try to disclaim

responsibility by saying you didn't know about it. For God, who knows all

hearts, knows yours, and he knows you knew! And he will reward everyone

according to his deeds."~

It is governments which lead their victims to their death, staggering

to their execution. Not thieves. Thieves don't have enough power over their

victims to choose when and how to kill them. They must kill on the spot,

or not at all. Likewise we cannot save people from thieves because we

cannot know when they will strike; but government strikes in the open. ~

Romans 13:1 commands us to obey the higher powers, plural. That is

why Christians are the most law abiding of all men, when the higher

powers agree; but have always been a thorn in government's side when

man's laws violate God's laws. When there is a Conflict of Laws, Christians

will obey the Highest Authority. ~

For more details, check out my website at www.pines.org <http://www.pines.org> . Let me just

repeat those Scripture citations one more time, in case you were trying to

write them down. I am also forwarding a copy of this statement to Ann

Varney of ABC news, who is producing a report for 20/20. If she chooses

to use part of this statement, now you know the REST of the statement.

The Bible passages are: Luke 1:39-41. Psalms 139:13-16. Jeremiah 1:5.

Leviticus 20:1-5. Proverbs 24:11-12. ~

"Thou Shalt Not Kill"

"Turn the Other Cheek"

"He that Takes The Sword"

as applied to the killing of abortionists

by Christians for the purpose of saving the lives of thousands of babies per abortionist

Uncle Ed.'s General Answer, followed by emails raising the point that shooting abortionists violates the commandment "Thou Shalt Not Kill."

The short answer:

The Hebrew word for "kill" {raw-tsakh'} has the same wide range of meaning as the English word. It means everything from premeditated murder, to accidental death, to the execution of a murderer by a relative of the victim (the procedure instituted by God in Numbers 35:12.) The job of the interpreter is to determine which of the multiple-choice definitions of "kill" God meant.

Now you can either complain that words have more than one meaning, which makes it difficult enough for humans to interpret and impossible for computers, or you can stop thinking like a computer and appreciate the "richness" of language, and read the context of "thou shalt not kill" to see how God interprets the verse. God surrounds "thou shalt not kill" (Exodus 20:13) with dozens of laws commanding capital punishment. So if God elsewhere insists we execute the guilty, He must not have meant, by "thou shalt not kill", that we must NEVER use lethal force to stop the guilty. He must have meant "thou shalt not kill the innocent", which is how the word is most often used.

More details:

I have heard abortionists quote this commandment on TV. I guess they think it doesn't apply to them. They can kill all day long and apply the commandment only to those who would stop their killing spree!

Abortionists and their supporters quote "thou shalt not kill" so often, that I have to ask if you learned the quote from them, or if you actually read it for yourself by actually opening up the Bible and reading it in Exodus 20:13?

Because if you read it for yourself, while reading through the Bible, then you must have read other verses around it commanding capital punishment, such as Exodus 19:12, for touching Mount Sinai; 21:12, for manslaughter; 21:15, for assaulting one's parents; 21:16, for enslaving anyone (in the Bible people could enslave themselves by going into debt and then having to work for someone else to pay it off, a bit like today; but capturing an innocent person was a capital offense); 21:17, for treating parents with contempt (King James translates "cursing"); 21:29 for wanton neglect to eliminate a hazard under one's control, that causes the death of another; 22:19, for having sex with animals; 31:14, for violating the Sabbath.

Well, I could go on, and cover passages that expressly command the court to have no pity, like Deuteronomy 13, for preaching false religions; or Deuteronomy 19:11-13 for premeditated murder. But let's take note of Exodus 31:14. That's the kicker, if you really think executing a guilty man violates "Thou Shalt Not Kill". Because then you would have to interpret Exodus 31:14 as enforcing the "keep the Sabbath" commandment by violating the "Thou Shalt Not Kill" commandment!

You say "But all those verses are in the Old Testament." Did you know Exodus 20:13 is in the Old Testament, too?

I don't want to be sarcastic with someone who is sincere but just hasn't noticed these things or had them pointed out. I just want to challenge you to refine your interpretation of the Ten Commandments so that it can be consistent with the rest of God's Word.

Have you noticed how often prolifers use the word "innocent" with "babies", to distinguish them from abortionists who obviously lack the same degree of innocence?

Do you see the moral distinction between killing the innocent, versus killing the guilty? No one stumbles over the distinction when our nation talks about terrorists in Afghanistan. Obviously our purpose over there is to kill people; specifically the guilty terrorists, the ones responsible for ramming our jets into our skyscrapers. Yet even in war, we remain appalled at any thought of deliberately killing "innocent" civilians; that is, "innocent", in the sense they have done nothing to justify our hurting them in any way.

The existence of American soldiers doesn't keep you from sleeping at night, does it? Even though their SOLE PURPOSE is to kill people? As long as they restrain their mission to self defense, killing only those guilty of trying to kill us, that doesn't seem a great world evil to you, does it? How about police, who carry guns whose SOLE function is to injure and kill people? If that doesn't seem to you a great evil in the world, then it can only be because you accept my distinction between killing the innocent, and killing the guilty.

In the case of abortion, how can there be any human being more INNOCENT than an unborn baby? Or anyone more GUILTY than a man whose career consists of murdering 20,000 or more unborn babies for the sake of millions of dollars and powerful political influence?

Our next decision to settle is whether to accept God's evaluation of who is guilty and who is innocent, as more relevant than the personal opinion of you, or me, or abortionists, or of those who have killed abortionists. Is abortion the murder of an innocent baby? Or isn't it? And if it is, does God say we should do anything about it?

But it is not necessary to decide what action to take, to at least answer Mother Theresa's question: "If we can't tell a mother not to kill her very own baby, how can we tell anyone not to kill anything?" Or, if it is justified to stop a foreign enemy by lethal force for killing a relatively paltry few thousand Americans, what is justified to stop domestic terrorists from slaying 1.5 MILLION AMERICANS PER YEAR?!

In Jesus' Name (Col 3:17)

Dave Leach

Emails

Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001

From: "David Wright" <mrpowderfinger@hotmail.com

To: PraiseJesus@ArmyofGod.com

On your web page you may like to mention that the commandment reads:"Thou shalt not kill." There is no clause that grants exception in the commandment. It does not read "Thou shalt not kill unless..." or "Thou shalt not kill except...." So when you glorify Clayton Waagner and other murderers the way you do on your web page, I have to ask myself if this man really is a Christian in his heart or does he just enjoy the feeling of being a part of a group? Is he another salesman carrying a cross on one shoulder and a brief case in the the other hand? Regardless of what he believes he is, he apparently has forgotten that as wrong as abortion may or may not be in gods eyes (and we only speculate on that as human beings) we know that for us to take a life, even in self defense goes against the teachings of Jesus. We may lay our own lives down for another but Jesus commands that we do not aid in the killing of another mrpowderfingerddw

Uncle Ed. Sez:

Dear David,

(Enclose general answer on 6th commandment, prolife Scriptures, and general introduction)

You say we can only speculate on how wrong abortion may be in God's eyes? I thought the same until about 1989, when I saw, for the first time, the Scriptures included in Operation Rescue literature. After seeing those Scriptures, I marvelled that the literature rack of a major Iowa prolife organization had not one brochure that included the Scriptures! Well actually they said they had one, but they were out; but they had dozens of other different pieces of literature that had none! I would have expected, that if they knew their position had God's support, they would say so in every brochure!

Anyway, I enclose some of those Scriptures for your consideration. Without knowing them, your position is perfectly logical.

With one other exception:

"Turn the Other Cheek"

I assume, by your statement that Jesus forbade self defense, you alluded to Matthew 5:39 "But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. 40 And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloke also."

Verse 39 refers to duelling. If a young punk pokes you in the chest and calls you "chicken", Jesus tells us to not say "Let's settle this outside!" We aren't supposed to use lethal force to defend some sick notion of our "honor". Most state laws actually prohibit dueling. In Iowa a few years ago, it was thought very important to actually repeal the prohibition against dueling which had been in the Iowa Constitution; it was thought archaic, since nobody duels any more anyway! The repeal was passed by the legislature in two different election cycles, and then Iowans voted for the repeal! I hope they are right; I hope dueling doesn't return to Iowa! Except in the ghetto gangs and in bars, where it will never leave.

In the dates of the armor-covered Knights, they used their mailed (consisting of wire mesh) gloves to slap against the face of their opponent. First one cheek, than the other if the other doesn't block you. When revolvers were invented and armor was useless, the sophisticated gentlemen of the past would swish their silk gloves against the beard of their adversary; one cheek, then the other, if not blocked. Jesus says, don't block the strike on the other cheek. Let the fool insult you, but don't kill him over an insult!

My interpretation is supported by the definition of the Greek word for "right" in verse 39. Your "right" cheek is your "place of honor and authority".

I reprinted verse 40 also because it appears to support the interpretation of no resistance to an attack. Our job as Christians, when we face a verse that might be interpreted several ways based on words and grammar alone, is to select the interpretation consistent with the context of other verses.

That is why I read verse 40 as saying "If a man begins to sue you, try to settle." In other words, don't be motivated by honor; be motivated by staying out of court. Several other passages warn of what terrible, unjust, dangerous places courts are. 1 Corinthians 6, but significantly, just a few verses before "turn the other cheek": "25 Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison. 26 Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing."

Other verses say we should "suffer wrong":

1 Corinthians 6:7 Now therefore there is utterly a fault among you, because ye go to law one with another. Why do ye not rather take wrong? why do ye not rather suffer yourselves to be defrauded? 8 Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that your brethren.

In other words, if we compare this with Matthew 5, Paul is not saying we should go out and look for opportunities for people to hurt us; but rather if we have the choice of suffering a minor loss and just letting it go, or going to court where we might get thrown in prison, wisdom requires us to set reasonable priorities. And certainly if the only "loss" to us is of our "honor", we had better come to grips with the fact that there is no "honor" in being a human being full of sin!

Another clue is found in Luke 12:13 And one of the company said unto him, Master, speak to my brother, that he divide the inheritance with me. 14 And he said unto him, Man, who made me a judge or a divider over you? 15 And he said unto them, Take heed, and beware of covetousness: for a man's life consisteth not in the abundance of the things which he possesseth.

Jesus continues on the subject of trusting God to provide all our physical needs, if we will but seek Him. In other words, in addition to our "honor" being counted by Jesus as not worth fighting over, property isn't worth much of a fight, either. Although Jesus even here has not gone so far as to say one should make no effort to preserve one's property rights, since elsewhere stewardship is respected. In this verse the man approaching Jesus has no legal right to the inheritance; the father had obviously willed it to the other son, so now that the father is dead and the inheritance has been disbursed, the son excluded from the will wants Jesus to ask the other son for some of it! Jesus' answer is to quit coveting what belongs to others (10th Commandment). God will provide you what you need, if you will "seek first the Kingdom of Heaven".

But even if you find reasons to disagree with details of my interpretation of these verses, how can you make them say we should not defend ourselves against someone trying to kill us? None of these passages dealt with lethal threats. Even if you thought Jesus said to let a man punch you in both sides of your face without resisting, that falls short of asking you to let a man kill you without resisting!

"He that takes the sword..."

If that is what you really think Jesus meant, then could you please send me your interpretation of Luke 22:36 "Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. 37 For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end. 38 And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough."

The fact that Peter misused his sword a little later, in violation of Jesus' patient explanations why, this one time, he needed to allow himself to be killed, (John 18:11 Then said Jesus unto Peter, Put up thy sword into the sheath: the cup which my Father hath given me, shall I not drink it?) does not contradict verse 36. Peter's misuse of violence does not disprove the need for violence when appropriate, indicated by verse 36 and by Ecclesiastes 3:8. "1 To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven: ....8 A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace."

The fact that Jesus told Peter, after his misuse of the sword, that "he who lives by the sword shall die by the sword", does not prove Jesus changed His mind and repented of what he said in Luke 22:36. In verse 38, Jesus had answered that 2 swords for 13 men was "enough". That does not constitute "living by the sword". That is, rather, the kind of odds God always counselled the armies of His people in the Old Testament. He liked them vastly outnumbered, so that their subsequent victory might be recognized as by the Hand of God, since physical might could not account for it!

(Psalm 33:16 There is no king saved by the multitude of an host: a mighty man is not delivered by much strength. Judges 7:2 "And the LORD said unto Gideon, The people that are with thee are too many for me to give the Midianites into their hands, lest Israel vaunt themselves against me, saying, Mine own hand hath saved me.")

These contexts help us select, as consistent with its context, the interpretation of Mat 26:52 that "all they that trust in the sword shall perish by it."

This thought is also supported by God's habit of using those very things in which men trust to betray them, in order to open their eyes and shake them loose from their addictions. Baal was a "rain god", so God punished its worshippers with 3 years of drought, followed by instant thunderstorms as soon as they suffered all the priests of Baal to be killed. (1 Kings 18.) Dagon was the Philistines' "fertility god", so God punished the Philistines with hemeroids! (1 Samuel 5) I understand several Egyptian "gods" were mocked by Moses' plagues, but I don't remember which.

By carrying two swords per 13 men, besides other followers, they carried just enough weaponry to participate in God's deliverance of them. Isaiah 63:5 and Matthew 25:26-27 shows how God is able to do everything by Himself, of course, but He likes our fellowship, working with him.

Matthew 26:52 Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword. 53 Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels? 54 But how then shall the scriptures be fulfilled, that thus it must be?

Matthew 16:23 was the earlier time Peter actually rebuked Jesus for wanting to rule, not by force as a king, but by conversion. Here Peter again raised his sword, disobeying Jesus' earlier directions. Jesus' rebuke was not just because Peter disobeyed; it was certainly not because use of a sword is always wrong; it was because Peter trusted in the power of swords. The Greek word for "take (the sword)" is defined as "....to associate with one's self as companion, attendant...."

Feedback to P&A Website, and Uncle Ed.'s response

From: William F. Lambert <wlambert@bellatlantic.net>

To: <Feedback@panews.org> Saturday, November 10, 2001

Subject: This is sick

What a bunch of crap. Paul J. Hill is no better than the terrorist who flew into the World Trade Center. God told us not to kill. It is the twisted mind of man that comes to the conclusion that it is all right to kill if your cause is just. I don't believe God said anything like that.

While I surely have no right to judge, I truly believe that Paul J. Hill will rot in hell. Especially since he was a minister.

I'm not really sure what I think about abortion. There is one thing I am sure of. I am sick and tired of all the people in the world who think their God has given them the right to kill people. They are all incredibly stupid and I hope they suffer for their sins. Why didn't Mr. Hill set himself on fire in front of a clinic to protest????? No guts!!!!! Easier to kill someone else. Bill Lambert

Followup email:

Uncle? It is hard to picture you as someone's uncle. My uncles all fought in the Second World War, but they surely didn't advocate killing people as a way of solving problems.

There are a lot of legal ways to fight abortion. If you use them, and God is with you, you will prevail.

By any definition, you are a terrorist. I think the world is going to rid itself of terrorists. They have no place in a civilized world. Don't you think so?

Bill Lambert

PS. You seem to be soliciting opposing points of view. So there you

are.....

Uncle Ed. Sez:

Dear Bill,

Thank you for your feedback! Most people, both ideological friends and enemies of mine, seldom muster the courage to express their disagreement with their ideological enemies.

(I don't mean to call you or anyone an enemy; I just can't think of a better term at the moment to explain what I mean.)

How can you not know what you think about abortion? Even children who can't form sentences are able to form a response to the idea of killing babies before they are born.

Even though you have not yet formed your position on this activity, can you see how much your position will affect your view of Paul Hill, once it is formed? If you determine abortion is merely the removal of dead, soul-less, inhuman "tissue", then obviously you will agree that Paul Hill is an anti-religious, evil-worshipping idiot. Who would kill a doctor for removing tumors?

Conversely, should your position become that abortion is the murder, for profit, of a tiny baby who is the epitome of innocence, then I hope you will remain "sick and tired of all the people in the world who kill people", but then suddenly it will occur to you that of all the mass murderers in the whole world, NOBODY kills more innocent people than abortionists!

NOBODY! Certainly nobody in America! But even if you consider all the tyrannies of the past and present, what network of killers has claimed more victims than the abortion industry? Certainly Hitler's paltry 6 million Jews cannot compare with America's 50 million slain! Estimates of all the victims of worldwide communism throughout all its history range between 60 million and 120 million, but that's over some 80 years; compare that with 50 million, just Americans, not counting abortions in the whole world, especially Russia and China, over just 31 years!

Won't that make you REALLY "sick and tired" of these people who kill people, should you conclude abortion really is killing an innocent human baby?

Have you reflected on the use of the word "innocent" in such prolife statements? Do you see the distinction between killing the innocent, versus killing the guilty? No one stumbles over the distinction when our nation talks about terrorists in Afghanistan. Obviously our purpose over there is to kill people; specifically the guilty terrorists, the ones responsible for ramming our jets into our skyscrapers. Yet we remain appalled at any thought of deliberately killing "innocent" civilians; that is, "innocent", in the sense they have done nothing to justify our hurting them in any way.

The existence of soldiers in America doesn't keep you from sleeping at night, does it? Even though their SOLE PURPOSE is to kill people? As long as they restrain their mission to self defense, killing only those guilty of trying to kill us, that doesn't seem a great world evil to you, does it? How about police, who carry guns for the SOLE purpose of killing people they cannot by more peaceful means keep from killing others? If that doesn't seem to you a great evil in the world, then it can only be because you accept my distinction between killing the innocent, and killing the guilty.

In the case of abortion, how can there be any human being more INNOCENT than an unborn baby? Or anyone more GUILTY than a man whose career consists of murdering 20,000 or more unborn babies for the sake of millions of dollars and powerful political influence?

You mentioned setting onself on fire. Obviously that would not have saved the babies scheduled to be slain the day Paul Hill shot the abortionist. So for you to even suggest such a solution, indicates you think Paul's purpose was to make some sort of moral statement. Whereas the purpose Paul actually expressed was to save lives. Of course, should you determine what to believe about abortion, that will shape your impression whether saving lives is a plausible goal for a conscientious Christian.

You mentioned the idea of Paul thinking God had called him to act as he did. Have you made up your mind about God? Have you made up your mind about whether God loves you, or whether He has the intelligence to actually communicate accurately with man, and if so, whether God's view of who is innocent and guilty is more relevant, and useful to us, than my view, or yours, or Paul's? And if it can really be that the Bible is God's accurate communication with man, have you decided whether it commands more moral authority than your own viewpoint, so that you will use its commands as a guide for distinguishing between good and evil? When you reach that point, it becomes much easier for humans to agree with one another about right and wrong: because they can show each other where their conclusions are derived from Scripture, and then others can study whether that really is the intent of Scripture or whether it twists Scripture.

I am expressing these thoughts to you to help you flesh out the details of your position so you can express yourself more fully. At least it is my own experience that most of my positions were developed in response to challenges to my previous, less-developed concepts. I say what I think, someone criticizes what I think with a point I hadn't thought of and don't know what to answer, so then I think how to work that point into my own view; which leads me either to alter my view to account for it, or strengthen my view by figuring out how to refute the new challenge.

I hope you will receive my challenge in the same spirit, and will think about it, and answer it. I realize there is not time in the world to resolve every difference of opinion, but I hope you will consider abortion important enough to form your understanding of, and then to take a position on.

Should you take the time to answer again, I will certainly try to take more of my time to talk again with you.

Ah, I just came across your second note. So you DO accept the distinction between killing the innocent or guilty; or at least, you don't even think of killing in war as "killing to solve a problem". Even though when an army kills battlefield opponents, it actually DOES solve a problem; so what you surely mean, when you dismiss any wickedness associated with fighting in a war, but are disgusted by killing abortionists, is that some killing is justified, while other killing is not. So the next challenge I lay before you, should you arrive at the conclusion that abortion is the murder of an innocent baby, is to answer Mother Theresa's question: "If we can't tell a mother not to kill her very own baby, how can we tell anyone not to kill anything?" Or, if it is justified to stop a foreign enemy by lethal force for killing a relatively paltry few thousand Americans, what is justified to stop domestic terrorists from slaying 1.5 MILLION AMERICANS PER YEAR?!

In Jesus' Name (Col 3:17) Dave Leach

Subject: (no subject)

Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001

From: Tweetybff@aol.com

To: Glory2Jesus@armyofgod.com

I just want to say that I don't feel abortion is right. But I especially do not feel that you killing the people that do the killing of the babies is right either. If you supposedly believe in God and the Bible, it says in the Ten Commandments that thou shalt not kill. What makes you any differant from them. Even if it is a baby killing ?!@!?. God does not change his mind for anything because God is perfect.

Uncle Ed. Sez:

Dear Tweety,

I am confused by your question about distinguishing between an abortionist, and the killer of an abortionist. You say "I don't feel abortion is right". I would have guessed the thing about abortion which might feel "wrong" to you might be the 20,000 corpses of innocent babies which will fill the career of an average abortionist.

But then you say it feels even MORE wrong, to you, to kill the abortionist. The part that confuses me is that unless I am wrong in guessing what it is about abortion that "feels" wrong to you, I would have thought the very thing which feels wrong to you about abortion would be the thing which would make you feel good about stopping it.

If you had said "it is almost as bad to kill one abortionist as it is for the abortionist to kill 20,000 babies during his career", I would have understood. But when you say it is WORSE to kill one abortionist, than for that abortionist to live to kill 20,000 more babies, I am confused. By what possible standard do you place the value of one abortionist HIGHER than the value of thousands of babies?

Subject: my thoughts

Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001

From: "krista rehurek" <krehurek@videotron.ca

To: <Glory2Jesus@ArmyofGod.com

I would like to know on what u people r getting out of this because u guys r also disobeying 1 of the 10 commandments by killing the doctors of abortion I think just by posting this web site your doing the wrong thing and u would have to pay for your sins based of the crimes that has been commuted and do u fell proud based on what most people r doing in this world today, also women that goes thought abortion has the right to live there lives and no one can control it we r who we are no body can change that and unless u tell your followers to stop these acts crimes I will have no choirs but to start a rebellion against on what u r doing From: Trowa Barton

Subject: I'm looking for research on this topic for a class

Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001

From: "amber fazer" <a_fazer@hotmail.com>

To: PraiseJesus@ArmyofGod.com

To whom it may concern: I was fortunate enough to recently see the story on 20/20 about the leader of Army of God. There are a few questions I have concerning the topic abortion. First, I would like to know how killing anyone is going to solve the problem? In my religion the ten commandments are law. I believe one of them is "Thou shall not kill." How do you justify your actions? I myself believe that every person has the power to do what they will with there body. I also have seen your website. Where in the world do you obtain these obscene pictures of aborted children? Taking anothers' life is not going to make up for an aborted baby, it's just adding another problem to our world. I know you've probably heard this a million times but I would really like to hear your side. Please email me back. Thank You.

Uncle Ed. Sez: Thank you for really wanting another side.

If you consider 20,000 slain babies a "problem", then can you see how the death of a single abortionist, whose career will, on average, consist of murdering that many, might be a "solution"?

Some of the first pictures of slain babies were procured by raiding trash containers outside abortion centers. One of the most famous of those early raiders was George Grant, an associate of Dr. D. James Kennedy in Florida. Grant has written prolife books.

There was one time when prolifers went up to an abortion center and found it -- empty! They expected to go in and be arrested, but instead, miraculously, they went in and found no one! So they found the corpses themselves inside, and photographed them.

How long will your "research" paper be? I hope it is longer than the typical news story, which hardly provides enough space to do justice to the typic, even if they didn't start with strong pro-murder, anti-Bible prejudice. If you have a question you don't find addressed on my web site, please write again.

Subject: GOD'S left hand

Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001

From: NOnamr69@aol.com

To: Glory2Jesus@armyofgod.com

You know that God wouldn't want you to kill all these people. You aren't the army of God you are the army of Satan so when you say that I am a member of gods army you should think would God want me to kill people? So you people let God do what he wants with the bad people who can't take responsibility for there action. IF YOU DON'T AGREE WITH ME THEN YOUR DISAGREEING WITH GOD'S LEFT HAND

Subject: My thoughts on your organization

Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001

From: "Davis, David J" <David.J.Davis@BakerNet.com>

To: "'Glory2Jesus@ArmyofGod.com'" <Glory2Jesus@ArmyofGod.com>

Dear "Army of God":

My thoughts - whether one is pro-life, pro-choice, or pro-whatever is beside the point. Your organization's support and glorification of killing human beings espoused in your organization, its references to felon Clayton Waagner and on your site is revolting and contrary to the actions taken by civilized human beings. It is contrary to the very words of God. (Remember those Ten Commandments? Go back and read them more closely. There aren't any exceptions to "thou shalt not kill" for those with whom you disagree.) Your members, in my eyes, are no different from Al-Qaeda terrorists. I am confident that there will be a special place in Hell for people like you. I hope that sometime before you reach Hell and/or before you kill again, you realize the gross errors of your ways and how your terrorist tactics will undermine the very goal that you hope to achieve - the outlawing of abortion. Your actions merely serve to further marginalize pro-life supporters as crazed, murderous lunatics who not only do not respect the laws of the country in which we reside, but of the God which you worship.

There is still time for you to change the focus of your organization to voice your opinions about abortion in a peaceful way. For the sake of your souls, I hope that you do it soon.

David Davis

Uncle Ed. Sez: Dear David, your "views" about "prolife" really aren't irrelevant to your perception of this issue. Obviously if there is no God, or if God does not define babies as humans, the killing of whom is "murder", or if God indeed tells us to remain passive and respectful while innocents are being slaughtered around us, then, indeed, you are absolutely right; and we are absolutely wrong.

We find God's Word very compelling. Our mission is to proclaim its relevance to this, as well as other issues. If you can help us refine our theology, we are all ears. Since the only point you made bordering on the Biblical was about the 6th Commandment, we will send a little information on that, and invite you to browse our website for more information.

For the record, neither Don nor myself has ever killed anyone, or even tried to injure anybody. I know ABC called Don the "Army of God" general, but I hope you noticed they also portrayed Don as not knowing what any of his troops are doing until they do it. Some "general". Don is just a simple retired preacher with a website, who has friendships with some of the people he defends.

Dear Ads:

In General:

Don Spitz forwarded your note to me so that I might answer on his behalf. My reason for taking the time to answer is my assumption that at least part of your motive for writing is to test the strength of your own ideas, by seeing what response Don, or someone helping him, might give. If you had absolutely no openness to what we might answer, I doubt if you would have written. Only a precious few will write, of the many who only mutter to themselves. That is why I consider your letter precious.

There is no questioning your sincerity. Believing as you do, you are obeying God to write; specifically, you are obeying Ezekiel 3:18-20. In turn, I am obeying the same passage by responding to you. The world calls this "arguing", and the world doesn't like it; well, most people like to mutter to themselves, but most will not expose their ideas in a forum where the guy they are condemning has a chance to respond. But 1 Corinthians 14 and Hebrews 10:23-25 describe this very process as "exhorting one another", and portrays it as the essence of a proper church service. (As opposed to a modern "sermon" where there is no interaction, but that is another subject.) 2 Corinthians 13:11 and a few other places speak of "being of one mind" as a goal within our reach. It seems pretty clear that as Christians return to the Biblical Fellowship pattern of robust discussion, the natural consequence will be ever increasing unity of understanding.

I pray you will join the discussion with Don and me in this spirit.

Since criticisms of Don appear to consist of many repetitions of only a few popular points, I have organized these points into categories. I have made a separate file for each category, and posted my answer in each category at the beginning of the article, followed by all the emails which made that point. After reading my answer, if you have any further thoughts to offer, I hope you will send them to me.

My answers are simple, in proportion to the simplicity of most of the emails. I do not assume a simplistic email proves the writer is simplistic; another reason for simplicity in an initial email is the uncertainty whether it will be taken seriously. You hate to waste serious thinking on a reader who will not consider what you say seriously, anyway. So again, I look forward to even more thoughtful responses when you write again.

Emails

Subject: Your Website.....Please Read.........

Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001

From: "ads" <ads@setel.com>

To: Glory2Jesus@ArmyofGod.com

Hello. I am 14 years old and I am a Christian who strongly believes in God and in the Bible and what it says. I am also against abortion. I think it is wrong and it is murder. But in reguards to the man who killed the abortionist...I think that is just as wrong as abortion is. That was cold blooded murder. Then for you a man of God to praise him for it for everyone to see that is just plain wrong.

You talk about how Slepian is burining in hell. All I have to say to that is the Bible says Do not judge. You just judged that man by telling everyone that he is in hell. You have no right to judge where that man is spending eternity. Personally as a Christian I do not think that is right for you to praise anyone who is murdering. You are against abortion and I see your point on that but see you are praising people for killing abortionist, that is the same praising abortionist because they are all killers.

One last thing...as if praisng killers wasn't enough you show pictures of babies who were killed. If you really cared for these babies, you would put them on the internet like that. Portaying them not as the people they could've been but simply as "things" to help get more humans on your side.

So in conclusion I have only one thing to say..... your website is disgusting.

Uncle Ed. Sez:

Dear Ads,

I am puzzled by your belief that killing an abortionist "is just as wrong as abortion is". Do you base that on something in the Bible?

Do you agree abortion is the mass murder of over 10,000 babies by the career of each abortionist? Do you agree, then, that killing one abortionist prevents that abortionist from killing thousands more babies? Do you still see no difference between killing one abortionist, and that abortionist killing thousands of babies?

Judging.

You talk about judging, and you say the Bible is your source, but your understanding of judging does not match my impressions of God's Word. I wonder if you have read all of it? I wonder which Scriptures are your guide to the meaning of judging? Have you actually read about it in the Bible? I have to ask because atheists say as much as you have said about judging in the Bible, all the time.

Are you interested in a comprehensive Bible study of judging?

I hope to hear from you; but meanwhile, to provoke you to think more about your position, let me challenge you to ponder whether your criticism of Don constitutes "judging" any more than Don's criticism of abortionists? And if you, too, are judging Don, then let me challenge you to consider what God might have to say about how to judge Biblically -- when judging is Godly. Let me challenge you to also consider whether you accept the legitimacy of government? Because if you literally reject, categorically, the authority of anyone to judge, then what must you think of American Judges? If you are content with the existence of judges, then try to think of how to put in words why you think the words of Jesus about judging do not apply to judges who not only form an opinion about you but put you in jail, fine you, or execute you in accordance with their opinion, but do apply to Don Spitz, a simple retired preacher who merely expresses opinions upon which he has never taken physical action?

If you believe the whole Bible is God's Word, every letter of it, as stated in Matthew 5:18, then let me challenge you to refine your theology so that it is consistent with passages like John 7:24 "Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment."

John 8:15 is another passage you should consider. It contrasts a wrong kind of judging, "after the flesh", with Jesus' kind of judging, where Christians pass judgment only when they can find a "second witness" in the Word of God. (The "witness" terminology is from Moses' law which says no one can be convicted of a crime based on the testimony of only one witness to the crime. Deuteronomy 17:6 "At the mouth of two witnesses, or three witnesses, shall he that is worthy of death be put to death; but at the mouth of one witness he shall not be put to death.")

John 8:15 Ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man. 16 And yet if I judge, my judgment is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me. 17 It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true. 18 I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.

Then there is 1 Corinthians 6, the whole chapter, which, very bluntly, very powerfully, establishes the far greater competence of Christians, to judge, than government judges. I short excerpt follows, beginning with the two verses that lead in to chapter six.

Let me first briefly explain the unusual terminology of these two verses: they refer to the jurisdiction of Christians to hold court and impose sentences on others, which is only over each other. ("Jurisdiction" is a word referring to the boundaries of a judge's authority. For example, a French judge has no "jurisdiction" over Americans, unless the Americans are in France.) Members of a church have no authority over non-church members. That is, they have no police power to arrest offenders outside the church and put them in jail. Paul had previously urged that the Corinthians take action against a church member who fornicated with his own mother. In these verses he is simply saying "Look, it's not as if I'm asking you to judge outsiders over whom you have no jurisdiction. You have jurisdiction over this man -- you can excommunicate him -- and you had better exercise it." Keep in mind that the Greek word krino, translated "judge", has the same wide range of meaning as our English word: all the way from merely expressing an opinion, to operating a court room complete with witnesses, juries, police, lawyers, judges, jailers, and executioners.

When Paul mentioned the inability of the Corinthians to judge non-church members, he wasn't saying they ought not express opinions about the sins of non-church members. He wasn't limiting their freedom of speech.

He wasn't telling Christians to stop warning sinners, as commanded by Ezekiel 3:18-20! "When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand...."

He wasn't telling Christians to stop witnessing, as Jesus commanded in Mark 16:15! "And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature."

Now here is the 1 Corinthians 6 exerpt:

1 Corinthians 5:12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? 13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person. 6:1 Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints? 2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? 3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

Do you believe the Bible is the Word of God? I ask you this because if you do, I can continue this discussion by merely showing you Scriptures; but if you don't, perhaps you would like to see the scientific evidence that the Bible is, indeed, the word of God.

In other words, in order to get us on the same track so we can have a meaningful discussion, we need a source of information we both trust. I trust the Bible. If you do not, I need to know what source of authority you do trust beyond your own impressions of right and wrong. The Qu'ran? The B'hagavad Gita? Psychology? American laws? I am confident that whatever you trust, whoever you worship, it is possible for any two human beings to move towards mutual understanding. The only real barrier is not wanting to. Every lesser barrier can be breached, with a little work.

Those Horrible Pictures.

Do you really mean what you say about the pictures of slaughtered babies being disrespectful to the babies? I must admit that is a concept I have never heard before. What then do you think of the pictures of slaughtered Jews that fill the Holocaust Museum? Do you think the Museum is disrespectful to Jews? Their reason for their pictures is that mankind might never forget the atrocities of which men are capable who are unrestrained by other men, in order that in the future when men rise to such wickedness, others, recognizing the pattern, might restrain them. (Those are my words for their motive, but I think they are close.) Does that seem like a legitimate goal of Jews? Does it seem a less legitimate goal for babies?

I would like to discuss this with you more. I ask these questions partly to challenge you to think more about your position, and partly because I don't know how to answer more helpfully without knowing more about where your thinking is.

In Jesus' Name (Col 3:17)

Dave Leach

Subject: Matthew 7

Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001

From: Jamis421@aol.com

To: PraiseJesus@armyofgod.com

"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you."

Subject: I am THE ONE GOD!

Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001

From: "God Theone" <godtheone@hotmail.com>

To: Glory2Jesus@ArmyofGod.com

Stop this foolishness of killing. If you want to kill something kill yourself. That would be a selfless act and I would elevated you to the my kingdom of heaven.

God

Uncle Ed. Sez: If you are God, why aren't you quoting Scripture? Jesus quoted Scripture all the time; even to Satan. You know what? I don't think you are God.

Subject: revenge

Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001

From: "Cindy Harrison" <interproductions@home.com

To: <Glory2Jesus@ArmyofGod.com

An eye for an eye- a tooth for a tooth- you folks are no better than the primitive Arab tribes of Muhammed's time, burying girl babies in the sand. You justify murder for murder- you place yourself in the throne of Christ (but with a gun in hand). How blasphemous and audacious can you be, playing God. Let God do God's work. Let us not judge others, but simply live our own lives as we see best. Who are you to sit in the throne of God to judge others? Murder, my brother, whether of innocent babies or adults, is not Christian. You do infinite harm to those who, in peace, call themselves "Christian" and reduce Christianity to the level of the pagan desert tribes. Repent your murderous desires and actions before both man and God condemn you to Hell. Dr. J.V.S Sarasota Florida

Uncle Ed. Sez: Men condemning me to Hell? Burying babies in the sand on exactly the same level as stopping a man with 20,000 tiny notches on his scalpel? Placing ourselves on the throne of Christ? I sense you are capable of serious discussion, but these overstatements leave me perplexed where to begin responding to you. If you care to look over the information on our site and write again with points stated more precisely, I will be glad to address them.

Bow2Bort

Subject: question

Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001

From: "buffetistheman" <buffetistheman@msn.com

To: <Glory2Jesus@ArmyofGod.com

do you have a posistion on women who have had abortions in their past when they found themselves in a horrible situation and were victimized by men, friends, and family into truly beleiving they were doing nothing wrong. im in a bit of a moral and philosophical jam and am looking for answers. id love to discuss it with you but first i was wondering what your posistion was. Im on your side. Keep up the good work.Thanks

Uncle Ed. Sez: Your "dilemma" exactly describes the condition of every Christian at each new revelation of God's standards for his life, where his eyes are opened to mistakes he has been making without even knowing.

God does not expect us never to have made mistakes. He expects us, upon realizing our errors, to work with Him to correct them.

You aren't in any jam I can't relate to.

Acts 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: 31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.

Some feel it minimizes the gravity of abortion, to say it can be repented of and put in one's past. Praise God, no! It is just like growing up. If you wet your pants at 2, no big deal. If you still wet them at 6, big deal. The more you learn, the more God expects.

Luke 12:47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. 48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.

Fortunately no parent has difficulty forgiving a 10-year-old for the messes he made at 3, and God is even more loving than any parent -- and is Able to clean up our messes even more perfectly! Trust Jesus!

Subject: (no subject)

Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001

From: RiZDoG64@aol.com

To: Glory2Jesus@armyofgod.com

burn in hell

Uncle Ed. Sez: My, My! Could this be what people mean when they talk about "judging"?

Subject: Abortion

Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001

From: FUNHOG1@aol.com

To: Glory2Jesus@armyofgod.com

I saw something on Television about your web site and your sick followers. Anyone who thinks "Killing" is all right to "protect unborn life" is as sick as Asma Bin-Laden and Hitler. I believe that people should have the right to make their own choices about Abortion and let God be their Judge. It amazes me that you people can get away with bombings and killings, and think it is just. You all quote the Bible but none of you read and understand God's will or his own commandments. Only he has the right to judge. Also, our own Supreme court has ruled more than once that abortion, in certain circumstances, is legal. The funny thing is the "Abortion issue" has no direct effect on my life and not a cause that I am passionate about. I'm just sick and tired of all the radical crazies trying to shove their opinions and extremist views down our throats with violence and terrorism. I truly hope that our legal system actively and aggressively goes after the violent antiabortionist and treats them like the Terrorist they really are.

Please do not respond to me or send me any of your sick information. I'm not interested in receiving anything from you. From a concerned citizen about the future of our world.

Subject: photos of aborted fetuses

Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 06:30:08 -0500

From: "Mi May" <kookyloon@msn.com

To: <PraiseJesus@ArmyofGod.com

several descriptions here about the photos of aborted fetuses: horrific, disturbing, putrid, maddening,beyond belief horror,how can anyone do that? sickening,gut wrenching,absolute horror..mind bending,spirit bending, these images can warp one's very soul..FOREVER..how can someone particpate in this absolute horrible beyond words depravity?? I am very sorry for these souls that were violated so horribly..i am at a loss for words,how can i describe my emotions at site of absolute incredible EVIL..may the end times rapidly increase and the coming GLORY of GOD mop up the absolute mess in the world!!! I am certainly not an "Angel" and have many faults and GOD shall instill HIS punishment unto me for all of my misdeeds, but ANYONE who would participate in this unGodly act has a special place in HADES but who am I to judge..I must go now..and try and forget these HORRIFIC images for awhile..but they shall "haunt" me for eternity..and people complain about how hard they have it..but upon seeing these images i shall NEVER complain about the trivial, stupid lil problems encountered in average everyday life MARANATHA!!

Subject: Do something for the ones that weren't aborted!!!

Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001

From: "David O'Sullivan" <david.osullivan@worldnet.att.net>

To: <Glory2Jesus@ArmyofGod.com>

This is fine for you to have a site condemning abortions. What about the kids that were damaged by their birthmoms drinking and drugging while they were pregnant? Until your group wants to take these kids in and try to parent them you should not condemn others. These kids are condemned to a less than rewarding life. We have done foster care for over 20 years and most of these kids are taken into custody because of abuse. Some are severely affected by the prenatal abuse. Many never find a family that will try to raise these difficult kids and many grow up in the system and then move on to prison. A great many of the women go on to have more babes that are prenatally exposed to drugs and alcohol. We are raising one of these kids. He will never be able to fully be on his own and has gone through his own personal hell all his life. I strongly feel that sometimes it is a blessing to not put these kids through this kind of life. There are not enough people out there to raise these kids and maybe your group would like to advocate for them and find families for them. For every women you condemn for making her choice to end that cycle, take one of the hundreds that live!!. It will make your life a hell!!!. Adoptive mom

Uncle Ed. Sez: I share your concern. A practical problem for us who have been through courts to try to stop abortion is that state departments of human service are fanatically pro-abortion and anti-Christian, typically pulling such stunts as ordering spouses to divorce so that at least one parent may retain custody, or even ordering a spouse to not attend his home church because the child is there against whom a "no contact" order has been entered (in the usual hearing ruled by the "preponderance of evidence" standard where hearsay is quite welcome). In other words, people like us, with prolife records, who also by the way understand the vanity of psychology, are denied access to the very group of state-controlled children about whom you express concern. Were there not such state-created barriers, I cannot imagine not finding a home for every homeless child!

So I am working on those barriers. I am running for State Representative again, and my proposals for the Iowa DHS are elsewhere on my website. I would be interested in your impressions of them.

I just really can't imagine you asking your children "Would you rather your mother had you killed before you were born?" And if you do ask them that, do you really think they will concur with your theory that they would have been better off?

It is human nature to wish life were less challenging. It is not human nature, except during high stress moments which are the exception rather than the rule, to wish to have never lived. But if you are suffering such moments, seek help in Jesus. Paul suffered plenty, yet was able to say, Philippians 4:11 Not that I speak in respect of want: for I have learned, in whatsoever state I am, therewith to be content. 12 I know both how to be abased, and I know how to abound: every where and in all things I am instructed both to be full and to be hungry, both to abound and to suffer need. 13 I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me. However, if I am wrong; if you really can ask your children that question, and if they really do tell you they wish they had been tortured to death before they were born, I would love to have a videotape of that interview to put on my TV show. (With the usual signed permission slips from parent and child.)

Subject: question

Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001

WallyKing77@aol.com

To: Glory2Jesus@armyofgod.com

What religion are you?

Uncle Ed. Sez:

Both Don and I are Christians.

Subject: shame on you

Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001

From: "Manning, Denise" <Denise.Manning@LibertyMutual.com> To: "'praisejesus@armyofgod.com'" <praisejesus@armyofgod.com>

For GOD said" the battle is not yours, but the Lords", Ten Commandments (remember those?) "Thou shalt not kill" Your just like satan, you people are out to "Kill, steal & destroy", & you don't have the rightTheses woman have to stand before GOD for their sins, & SO DO YOU!

Denise I. Manning ext.4287 New Castle CSR

Kill

Uncle Ed. Sez:

I'm enclosing my understanding of the Sixth Commandment. If your understanding of it differs, please tell me at what point.

Neither Don nor myself has any desire to face judgment for the sins of others. We have enough of our own to make us uneasy. But Ezekiel 3:18-20 actually says if we refuse to give God's warning to sinners, yes, we WILL actually face judgment for their sins!

Verses

Subject: (no subject)

Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001

From: TiNyEez14@aol.com

To: PraiseJesus@armyofgod.com

hello. We were watching 20/20 the other night, & were wondering a few things about you. Why do you think it's so wrong to have an abortion? if your a young woman & you dont want to mess up your life, by having a baby, then i dont want to say its a good idea, but it could help that girl out. if your not ready to have a baby then it could. im not saying a child isnt a blessing, but when your 15 years old, your not ready. Plus they may make their own decison. thank you for time. please e-mail us back.

Bow2bort

Uncle Ed. Sez:

Enclose prolife verses

Thanks for contacting us, and especially thanks for your closing "please e-mail us back", indicating your sincere desire to understand our position.

Don forwarded your note to me, to answer on behalf of our mutual interest.

If the Bible did not explain why abortion is wrong, we would be far less concerned about it. But if God says it is wrong, and furthermore that it may be indeed the greatest crime of America's history, then indeed we, and you, too, had better be concerned.

R U about to abort?

If you are 15 and pregnant, don't despair of obeying God! David really messed up. He fornicated with another man's wife; not content with a dozen or two of his own beautiful wives! And when she got pregnant, well he probably would have committed abortion if he knew how, but instead he aborted the woman's husband. Really messed up bad. 2 Samuel 11-12

So you wouldn't think anything that came of that union would be worth diddly, would you? But the second child of David and Bathsheba was Solomon, whom God "loved", and made the wisest man of all time. 1 Kings 3

So if you are 15 and you messed up, don't pick THIS of all times to compound your sin by killing an innocent baby! Or if I have spoken to you too late and you have already done just that, don't further compound your sin by defending the indefensible! Turn to God now, wherever you are, after whatever you have done, and watch God turn curses into blessings! But as long as you rebel, expect God to turn blessings into curses. That is, so long as God sees any hope in you. If you are living a life of sin, and God is leaving you alone, beware! Proverbs 13:24, Hebrews 12:6

Subject: kooks

Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001

From: "whitney3" <whitney3@teknett.com

To: <Glory2Jesus@ArmyofGod.com

my belief is you "people" are of a "sick" nature. DANGEROUS as well. for shame!!!

Subject: You

Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001

From: Megaman9man@aol.com

To: Glory2Jesus@armyofgod.com

You make us Arcanists sick...

Uncle Ed. Sez:

Uh, OK.

Subject: (no subject)

Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001

From: DiNa148@aol.com

To: PraiseJesus@armyofgod.com

ok... at first i was for pro-choice.. but these pictures have made decide otherwise.... i have mixed feelings... i think there are certain circumstances... like incest... rape...and some others that i will agree with a persons choice of abortion.... however i think the abortion of a baby after 3 months is cruel... I also believe, that everyone has free will... it would be against our constitution for abortion to be illegal.... a woman can choose to do whatever she wants... we have freedom of speech which allows your website to be on the internet.... If a woman chooses to be catholic... or jewish or muslim, that is her choice.. due to HER beliefs... so she can choose to have an abortion.... We are humans we have the ability to choose.. GOD has given us that gift... it is wrong for anyone to take that gift away from us.... Also if you are a catholic... and you believe so strongly in not killing babies what gives you the right to kill abortionists? two wrongs do not make a right.... an eye for an eye only leaves two people blind... GOD says to do unto others as you would have done unto yourself..... i think this whole website is against the christian message.... Sincerely, Annie Beth Mc Geary

Uncle Ed. Sez:

We are grateful for your report that the pictures on Don's site have steered you away from feeling "pro-choice" at least as far as having "mixed feelings". I pray you will keep moving in the direction of the same Love for babies that God has. Matthew 18:14 "Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish."

Are you a news reporter? I haven't seen this fine a collection of 5-second sound bites for some time! Each of your phrases tempts me to take an hour to expound, but I'm going to try to answer each of your points as briefly as you have stated them. Then if you are interested in any further response on any point, please write again.

"ok... at first i was for pro-choice.. but these pictures have made decide otherwise...."

Again, thanks!

"i have mixed feelings... i think there are certain circumstances... like incest... rape..."

Would you like to be tried for your father's crimes? Yet you want to execute children of rape without even a trial?!

"and some others that i will agree with a persons choice of abortion...."

Still more exceptions? What, disability? Why don't you ask the next disabled person you see if they wish they had been killed in the womb, and tell me what you learn?

"however i think the abortion of a baby after 3 months is cruel..."

Much more serious than merely "cruel". Even "mass murder" is an incredible understatement. A typical abortionist kills 20,000 infants during his career.

"I also believe, that everyone has free will..."

Yes! We can even choose Hell! Don and I choose to obey God, who tells us to warn you. (Thank you for your initial response to Don's warning!)

"it would be against our constitution for abortion to be illegal...."

Then how did almost every state get away with outlawing it from America's founding until 1973? Even the Roe court never claimed to discover a "right" to choose. They couldn't even concoct a shadow of a right to choose. They discovered, says they, a "penumbra" -- a shadow of a shadow of a right. A great many legal scholars today can't even "find" that.

"a woman can choose to do whatever she wants..."

Unfortunately choices have consequences.

"we have freedom of speech which allows your website to be on the internet...."

Uh, yes. And?

"If a woman chooses to be catholic... or jewish or muslim, that is her choice.. due to HER beliefs... so she can choose to have an abortion.... We are humans we have the ability to choose.. GOD has given us that gift..."

Indeed. God lets us choose between Heaven and Hell. He won't force anyone to accept His Love. What will you choose?

"it is wrong for anyone to take that gift away from us...."

What, by shooting abortists, you mean? Do you think God cannot squeeze enough time for an eternal choice into a man's last moment? Have you read about Ananias and Sapphira in Acts 3? Can it ever be wrong to obey God?

"Also if you are a catholic... and you believe so strongly in not killing babies what gives you the right to kill abortionists?"

Don is not Catholic. Check Proverbs 24:10-12, Luke 1:42-44, Jeremiah 1:5, Psalms 139:13-16, Leviticus 20:1-5.

"two wrongs do not make a right...."

Let's discern what is "wrong".

"an eye for an eye only leaves two people blind..."

Let's not blind ourselves to God's Commandments.

"GOD says to do unto others as you would have done unto yourself....."

If I became so far gone I started killing thousands for no fault of theirs, I would want to be stopped "dead in my tracks"!

"i think this whole website is against the christian message.... Sincerely, Annie Beth Mc Geary"

After considering this information, if you still think so, please give us more details why.

Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001

From: "Jane Harrison" <jane_yep@hotmail.com>

To: glory2jesus@armyofgod.com

What's wrong with you? Two wrongs do not make a right. How can you possibly think that you are doing a service by killing people? B/c they killed an unborn fetus, you kill a grown person? Tell me how this makes sense. This is barabaric and frightening. Jane Harrison

Uncle Ed. Sez: Maybe you missed the news. Abortionists don't kill just one unborn baby, though surely that alone should alarm you. They kill, typically, 20,000 throughout their career. Does that detail help you make sense of it? Does that affect your perception of who, here, is "barbaric"?

Subject: You guys

Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001

From: TooFarGon1946@aol.com

To: Glory2Jesus@armyofgod.com

You guys are more proof that God does not exist....TooFarGon

Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001

From: "r.t.wild" <robertwilda1@hotmail.com

To: <PraiseJesus@ArmyofGod.com CC: <robertwilda1@hotmail.com

you have a very good site .keep up the good work. all i got to say a i 4 a i . from birmingham(uk) pro-life group.

Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001

From: "Karen Post" <angelsr2@telusplanet.net

To: <Glory2Jesus@ArmyofGod.com

I heard about your organization on CNN the other night. I was disturbed by some of what I heard. To know JESUS is to know GOD. The psalms are old testament, written during a time when man kind wasn't sure who GOD was, still they believed in HIM. JESUS teaches us in St. Mathew Chapter 5, verses 38 to 48, Ye have heard it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth fora tooth: But I say unto you, that ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. And whosoever shall compel the to go a mile, go with him twain. Give to him that asketh of thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away. Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. But I say unto you, Love you enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you. That ye may be the children of your father which is in Heaven: for He maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and the unjust. For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? Do not even the pubicans the same? And if ye salute your brethen only, what do ye more than others? Do not even the publicans so? Be ye therfore perfect, even as your Father which is in Heaven is perfect. God is love. I am also pro life. God's spirit compelled me to write the following, and I'm grateful in knowing it has already saved one life ! After seeing a representative of yours on CNN the other night, I felt compelled to share this with you. If you feel it can save other lives, please let me know. GOD bless ! Sincerely, K. Post April 27, 1999

To My Children of Pro Choice:

It is with great sadness that I write this letter to you. I have been observing the destruction of my little ones over the years, and I have hoped that you would heed the soft words spoken to your hearts, but you've refused to hear me.

First, you must know that I love you. The love I have for you is beyond anything your thoughts could imagine, you are my children, and you are precious beyonds words, there is nothing you can do that will change my love for you. I've witnessed you grow throughout your lives. I've felt your pain, your happiness, your grief, your confusion, your guilt, your every experience and feeling has been mine as well, many times we have laughed and cried together.

There are those of you, for reasons justified only by the dark side, that have been murdering my unborn babies. I have watched abortions take place for a number of reasons, all without a reasonable excuse. A reasonable excuse for this behaviour is nonexistant, not in your world or in mine. I've witnessed abortions that took place simply because of vanity. My children, so many of you who have justified abortion because of your fears of being abondoned by the men you love. Many you who have chosen abortion over a change of lifestyle, and there are even those of you that believe lust is an acceptable excuse for an act of murder.

I've heard so-o-o-o many excuses for murdering my unborn babies. I've even seen so-o-o-o many of you suffer after doing so, with unbearable guilt and remorse. To you that have, or are, experiencing guilt and remorse, please know I forgive you, please know you are constantly loved. It is only for those of you that don't recognize your mistakes in judgement, for those of you who refuses to accept responsibility for your actions, and it's for those of you that are happy and content with the current abortion laws of your world, that I feel compelled to write.

Please understand, that regardless of what you think, say or do, I'm always here for you to talk to, I'm here to love you, to forgive you and to guide you. Please open the hearts I've given you, as you now listen to mine, a heart that shatters everytime another of my gifts is tossed aside like old garbage. All of you have witnessed my tears falling heavily from heaven, but not all of you have recognized them as they fell.

Love is a gift that is steadfast and unfaultering, and love, as a flower, needs to be nurtured in order to grow. Making love is intended as a part of this gift, it's intent is for those who have realized and nurtured their love for each other. It's intended for those that have a strong unwavering desire to share their love with another being, created as a result of their love for each other.

Love is the only purpose of life !!!!!!!

It is to be valued, it is to be cherished, it is to be shared with one another. The experience of love brings happiness, peace and contentment, as is my wish for all of you. Everything that happens to you within a life time, happens to bring the realization of this love to life, in your thoughts, your words, and your actions.

Always know that not all things are as they appear, good things can appear terrible in your world, and terrible things can appear to be good. Always know that all things work for the cause of good, be thankful for everything, for everthing that happens is not without purpose. Devastating tragedies that occure result in many positive outcomes. These positive outcomes are always visible, but unfortunately are not always seen. What may appear to be a terrible occurance involving you, is all part of my plan in making you the type of person that brings honor to me. You all make mistakes throughout your lifetimes. It's what you learn from those mistakes that's important. Always look for the good in the bad and you will see it. For those of you who have aborted the smallest members of my family, you have not only destroyed my precious gift, you have prevented this gift from learning and passing on the important life lessons that I've tried so desperately to teach you. You've been murdering my unborn babies, some of which have loving father's that would cherish and protect them if given opportunity. The sadness and grief I feel is beyond description.

If I choose you to mother one of my babies, know that you are chosen for very specific reasons. For each of you, the reasons vary, as each of you has a unique and special path to walk. This is true not only for my chosen mothers, but also for my babies they conceived. Regardless of circumstance, I will help you through all of life's surprises. For those of you that have conceived out of violent means, carelessness and lust, and feel that emotionally, you are unable to love your unborn baby, I will help those feelings to develop freely if you wish, or I will find someone special, chosen here in Heaven, that is willing and able to shower your baby with love and tenderness. Know that I have many children among you that are unable to have babies, that will gladly, and without hesitation, give your baby a loving and supportive environment to grow in. I'm here to help you through every crisis, and I want to free you from all your suffering, your pain, your guilt, your sadness and your grief. I'm here to help you with your every need, there is nothing you experience in life that I don't experience with you. I will take care of you and your children regardless of circumstance, I promise! Please let my babies live, please allow them the opportunity to experience and share my love with others. Please believe in me.

Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001

From: "Luke Hosfield" <toymachine6328@hotmail.com>

To: Glory2Jesus@ArmyofGod.com

Hi I am a fellow Christian as your organization is. I also agree that abortions have to stop becuase they are immoral unethical and unGodly. One thing that I do not approve of is useing violence to stop this sin. By using a sin to stop another sin, In my eyes, hypocritical. Violence only cuases more anger and more tension between everyone. Ask youself, " Would Jesus(based on him never being violent)bomb a abortionalist?" I suggest useing non-violent forms of protest. In no way am I trying to force my opinion on to you I am merely giving you another perspective. Always remember Jesus loves you!!

Love, A lamb of a shepherd

Uncle Ed. Sez:

What does it matter, of what you approve? Or of what I approve? We are guided by our best understanding of what God approves. If you have some light on that from Scripture, please share it.

Please let me challenge you to incorporate Acts 5, Matthew 21:12, Mark 11:5, and Revelation 19:11-15 into your theory of Jesus' nonviolence. Let me know how it comes out.

Rape

Original Message --------

Subject: ABORTION

Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001

From: MKahoun@aol.com

To: Glory2Jesus@armyofgod.com

DEAR REV. DONALD SPITZ, I SAW YOUR INTERVIEW ON 20/20 ABOUT ABORTION AND I WAS SHOCKED AT WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT ABORTION. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU. WHAT IF A WOMAN GET'S PREGNANT AS A RESULT OF A RAPE OR INCEST IS IT OK FOR HER TO GET AN ABORTION? I CERTAINLY THINK IT IS AND I'M A CATHOLIC AND A REPUBLICAN. I THINK IT'S JUST SICK IF A WOMAN GET'S PREGNANT AS A RESULT OF THE ABOVE CONTENTS. HOW CAN YOU CALL YOURSELF A PREACHER AND SEND OUT FAKE ANTHRAX LETTERS AND BE HAPPY ABOUT IT. YOU SHOULD BE BROUGHT UP ON FEDERAL CHARGES AND YOUR SOMEONE WHO PREACHES THE WORD OF THE LORD. I HOPE YOUR NOT ONE OF THEM JERRY FALWELL TYPES BECAUSE I JUST CAN'T STAND THEM TYPES. AND YOU CALL YOURSELF A MAN OF THE CLOTH. I THINK NOT! PLEASE RESPOND TO MY LETTER. MARGARET

Uncle Ed. Sez:

Thank you for inviting a response. Would you like to be judged for your father's sins? If not, then why do you think it just to execute babies of rape without even a trial?

Are you sure you want to remain a Catholic, if you do not accept the Pope's infallible teachings on abortion? But even if prolifers would concede abortion is justified in the case of rape or incest, that leaves 99% of abortions to deal with.

For the record, no one alleged Don sent out anthrax threats. Would you really like Don charged with the federal crime of saying he prefers live babies to live abortionists, if he has to choose? (Which is about all he said.) Or do you like living in a nation of free speech? Since there are no federal crimes against speech, yet, would you prefer that charges be entered against Don before, or after, such laws are created? Or do you prefer a nation where people are not charged for actions which are against no laws?

You say there are "types" you "can't stand"? But Matthew 5:48 urges us to love even enemies. If you harden your heart against them, be careful lest your hardening spread to the point it does not even trouble you to contemplate slain babies.

Subject: Requset for information

Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001

From: "Trevor Johnson" <tljohnson15@hotmail.com

To: praisejesus@armyofgod.com

I happen to be reading your web-page and I would like some information. As a christian I do not believe in killing anyone for any reason whatsoever. With that in mind, how do you justify killing, or advocating violence against a doctor or anyone who performs abortions? By killing that person aren't you guilty of the same things..e.g murder, that you are opposing? Please advise. Trevor Johnson

Uncle Ed. Sez:

Literally? Then you are an absolute pacifist? Meaning we shouldn't have entered World War II, self defense is a sin, we should not intervene if we happen upon a woman being raped or children being shot by a sniper, and if the Chinese invade we should offer no resistance?

I've read about such people. I just want to be sure, before I continue a discussion, that this is really, literally, what you mean; because in order to offer a response with any hope of meaning anything to you, I would have to proceed differently according to your answer. (I was once an almost-absolute pacifist.)

Subject: THE DEVIL SHALL OVER RULE!!!

Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001

From: "shane smith" <Hell_Razr666@hotmail.com

To: <Glory2Jesus@ArmyofGod.com

Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 21:13:37 -0800

From: barbara@starstream.net (Pusheck, Barbara)

To: <Glory2Jesus@ArmyofGod.com

I heard a rumor that you were going to be shot in the head in the name of God.

Subject: (no subject)

Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 00:07:45 EST

From: TaqGuadalajara1@aol.com

To: Glory2Jesus@armyofgod.com

WHY DO YOU GUYS HATE ABORTIONIST IT'S NOT THERE FAULT ITS THE PARENTS FAULT WHO WANTS TO KILL THE BABY FROM: A SMALL CHILD THAT SAW YOU GUYS TRYING TO KILL ABORTINISTS

Uncle Ed. Sez:

If you are really a small child, I can see where you would blame parents more than abortionists. You have already been taught not to trust strangers, because strangers may want to kill you; so it is not news to learn about abortionists, whose career is to kill very small babies.

But parents! If not even parents can be trusted to love you enough to at least let you live, what security can there be for any child?! No wonder you want the nation's attention focused on parents!

If your parents try to kill you, and we are able to stop your parents, that will not mean we don't love your parents too! Try to understand that. There is no connection between wanting to stop abortionists, and hate. But you never saw "us" trying to kill anybody. All you saw was talk. All Don said was that if the nation forces us to choose between the life of one abortionist or the thousands of lives of all the children he wants to kill, Don would prefer it is the thousands of children who would be allowed to live. Isn't that what you would prefer? (The transcript of Don's statements is in this section.)

For your sake, I want to assure you that God protects even those whom parents will not. God allows tragedies, and tragedy may strike your life too. But learn to trust God, who will walk through it with you.

Subject: Make sure you remember me...when your God kills you.

Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001

From: "Mad Hatter" <mad_hatter@petitmorte.net>

To: <Glory2Jesus@ArmyofGod.com>

God does not play dice with the universe; He plays an ineffable game of His own devising, which might be compared, from the perspective of any of the other players, to being involved in an obscure and complex version of poker in a pitch-dark room, with blank cards for infinite stakes, with a Dealer who won't tell you the rules, and who smiles all the time. `, )

-Mad Hatterc "I'll give you power if you kill your friends." mhm _ x _

Insanity Now! http://www.petitmorte.net/insanity_now/

Subject: just a reminder

Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001

From: NiGhtMaRe@epictournies.cjb.net

To: glory2jesus@armyofgod.com

you are one sick and depraved excuse for a human being and you cant even make a webpage... your site is counterproductive to the nation, it is cyber terrorism, and is therefore a target...you might want to beef up your directory security, you bin laden wanna be this is not a threat, only a warning...

=P ~tHe NIghTmARe

Uncle Ed. Sez:

You bring up a very interesting point. How is it possible that Don and I are still online, though our knowledge of website security is practically nonexistent compared with that of our enemies, the most vindictive, bitter, murderous, and wealthy enemies anyone could have?

Could it possibly be that God can still outsmart even the smartest crook today, and that we can still trust God? Maybe, in that case, our "directory security" is already incapable of improvement.

Psalm 17:7 Shew thy marvellous lovingkindness, O thou that savest by thy right hand them which put their trust in thee from those that rise up against them. 8 Keep me as the apple of the eye, hide me under the shadow of thy wings, 9 From the wicked that oppress me, from my deadly enemies, who compass me about. 10 They are inclosed in their own fat: with their mouth they speak proudly. 11 They have now compassed us in our steps: they have set their eyes bowing down to the earth; 12 Like as a lion that is greedy of his prey, and as it were a young lion lurking in secret places. 13 Arise, O LORD, disappoint him, cast him down: deliver my soul from the wicked, which is thy sword:

Subject: lol

Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001

From: JGodbout13@cs.com

To: PraiseJesus@armyofgod.com

YOU ARE GOING TO HELL MURDERER YOU MAY NOT HAVE PULLED TRIGGER BUT YOU INSPIRED MURDER IN PEOPLE YOU ARE AND ABORTINIST OF HUMANTITY YOU INSULT THE CHRISTIAN FAITH WITH YOUR CRAZY RANTS JESUS IS A GOD OF LOVE AND FORGIVENESS HE HELPS THOSE WHO DONT UNDERSTAND HE DOESNT SHOOT OR BOMB THEM HAVE YOU TRIED REACHING OUT TO THESE PEOPLE INSTEAD OF KILLING THEM ONE DAY YOUR LIFE MAY BE THREATENED YOU LIVE BY THE SWORD YOU DIE BY THE SWORD YOU ARE NUTS I FEEL BAD FOR YOU AND WILL PRAY FOR YOU THIS IS NOT YOUR JOB TO JUDGE PEOPLE BE IN THE WORLD BUT NOT OF IT.............

Subject: Lol

Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001

From: JGodbout13@cs.com

To: Glory2Jesus@armyofgod.com

Please do respond I would love to here your rebuttle as to my last email. I notice that your site is still up still even after my eye opening email. I wonder about death, and life often and sometimes wish I had been aborted simply to not be bothered by these and many other issues. Believers in God should not think of death as a negative thing these babys get to join The Almighty in heaven just a bit earlier is that so bad? Is heaven and being in the precence of God that bad. Every man stands before God would you like God to look at your life as one who tried to help these sick people (the abortinists) or one who harmed them, and inspired even more violence. Please I ask you change your perspective, i am not asking you to be pro-choice in any way shape or form but since we are all God children and we are all sinners we need each others help just as these people do. They simply need to be pointed in the right direction just

Uncle Ed. Sez: Your two emails, side by side, are an absolute revelation to me. The first, enhanced by the caps, lack of punctuation, and rapid-fire, sound-bite insults, make it sound like you are strung out on drugs and probably too incoherent to make much sense of any response, and certainly not interested in a response. Your second seems like a desperate cry for help.

First let me respond to your specific points.

After the announcement that Don (and probably myself) are going to Hell, for inciting others to murder, making us "abortionists of humanity", an insult to Christianity, you say God loves and forgives. Well of course, but do you think that's all God does? How much of the Bible have you read? You can't have read very much without happening across the concept of "judgment" and "wrath".

Here's a verse where Jesus attempts to restore the same balance in the Church then that seems needed now: where all Christians appear to really be sure of is how to pay their tithes, but they should remember that God also wants us to fill our minds with three things: judgment, mercy, and faith.

Matthew 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Don emphasizes judgment, to compensate for that being the weakest of the three in church consciousness today. Churches today are fairly big on mercy, although where there is no consciousness of judgment, mercy has little to offer.

I doubt if you can imagine how much Don has "reached out" to the people he now reaches mainly by internet. When he was younger, he spent many years as a "street preacher" in New York City, giving entire evangelistic services with literature tables and the whole works. He met his wife there, and later moved to New Jersey where he continued a vigorous prolife ministry at abortion centers.

If you want to admonish Christians about Jesus' nature, you really ought to cite Scripture. You say Jesus doesn't shoot or bomb abortionists. Well of course He didn't when we could see Him because back then there were neither guns nor bombs nor abortionists. (And we think we have made progress!) Today we can't see what He does, so your point is entirely speculative. You don't know what role He has played in abortion center destruction. Do you remember the great earthquake in San Francisco several years ago? It was in the news that its epicenter contained one of the top three porn producers, and an abortion center. When Shelley Shannon burned several abortion centers, she prayed a lot. She reports a few miracles of answered prayer that helped her.

As I ponder from Scripture what Jesus might have done, my mind flits over his overturning of the money tables. That strikes me as the technological equivalent of burning an abortion center. He physically prevented them from continuing their wicked trade; and maybe I just don't understand the magnitude of the evil Jesus perceived, but it strikes me that abortion is a far greater evil than changing money on Temple property.

Your point about living by the sword is addressed elsewhere in these articles. I will do my best to arrange them so it is easy for you to find.

Not our job to judge people in the world? Is it, then, only yours? Think about it. Think about what you are doing. In what sense is Don judging, that you are not?

The only sensible solution is to acknowledge that Christians do have a responsibility to discern, to warn, and to witness. (See my general statement on judging.) It is not, per se, a fault for Don to judge you, or for you to judge him; the danger of a fault is in reaching a judgment contrary to God's judgment. But even this is not a great fault, if we can stay in communication with each other until we approach consensus.

Subject: (no subject)

Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001

From: Madkat9973@aol.com

To: Glory2Jesus@armyofgod.com

I was just on the site doing research when I saw the pictures. I hope I never see anything like that again. I wish I knew a way to help.

Subject: Praise Jesus for he is my Saviour

Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001

From: Leslie Huggins <allady911@yahoo.com>

To: PraiseJesus@ArmyofGod.com

Praise Jesus....I was saved 12 years ago...I do not believe in abortion but, what I do believe is God will take care of those who do...but, one thing, I think what you are doing is no better or going to get you into Heaven by killing those people....I work on an ambulance in Birmingham, Alabama and was on the way to a hospital when the bomb went off at the All Women's Health Clinic. I was only just a few streets over...my family would have never forgave the terrorist if I would have been killed in that horrendus act...I had no idea that the clinic which I pass by everyday performed abortions. I believe that there are other ways to deal with this besides more violence. I fear for my life everytime I pass by that office and for the lives of innocent victims, the students that go to UAB, the people that eat at the restaurant....You are no different than those who kill innocent children if you do not care.

I read no place in the bible that says it is ok to do what you do.

I do believe that we all have to answer for what we do when we get to the gates of Heaven, noone is perfect and you are going to have to answer for these sins...no more killing...no more violence...nothing is ever going to change this way. I am paid to save lives but, I am in fear that one day due to a bomb, when I am close to a doctor's clinic, that I will lose mine because you saw no other way to peacefully resolve this...my family worries...but, if I die because of what some thoughtless severe activist did..then God have mercy on their souls...You can't kill the world or you will kill the children of Christ...including, me or maybe a family member, friend..or someone that I did not even know that has just as much of a right to live as an unborn child. Do you care? Have you thought about all of these things..nothing justifies all of these killings. NO killings.

Dear

Where does this idea come from, that "God will take care of those who _____________"? Fill in the blank with any perversion you like. Is that in the Bible somewhere? Where? How far do you apply this doctrine? Do you apply it to Islamic terrorists? Should we do nothing and just wait for God to do everything for us? If the neighborhood bullies beat up our kids, how about then? Do we wait for God to take care of it for us?

Is this another way of expressing Absolute Pacifism, that idea that military defense is evil; we should just let our enemies invade anytime they like and we will just shame them with our love and good nature? That if you find your wife being raped you should let the man alone rather than injure him, and what tragedy should he die as a result of your rescue?

Yes, there are other ways to deal with abortion besides violent. Like voters with principles could start taking their votes seriously, and voting according to principle, instead of voting for more and more politicians committed to murdering children. I am seriously working for that very miraculous result. But until that result is achieved, I am ignorant of any more effective way to save babies' lives, than to destroy an abortion center, or an abortionist. If you have some other effective strategies, why don't you share them? Millions of prolifers are waiting for your solution.

You say you care about a handful of adult lives at risk. You say you live in constant fear. Trust God, commit your heart to Him, and He will protect you as surely from misguided Christians as from any evil criminal. He will insure that nothing happens to you which He cannot use for good.

You haven't said, though, that you care about the thousands of babies slain, by the most cruel tortures, by each abortionist. How can you care about every injured adult accident victim you see and not care about the thousands of cold-blooded-murder victims you pass by every day?

Subject: I 4 I?

Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001

From: "Ken Hawkes" <k.hawkes@worldnet.att.net

To: <Glory2Jesus@ArmyofGod.com

I find you repulsive. Instead of continuing to educate people you encourage violence. Because someone does not share your views you use violence and fear to persuade. You are no different than the Taliban.Believe me when I say that God does not need your help and if " your" God supports (gets off) from this kind of terror he is certainly not the God of mine. KRH

Uncle Ed. Sez: Uh, the Taliban uses violence and fear to persuade? What is it they want us to believe?

Uh, it's because our views are not shared that we act? How about because babies are being killed to the tune of some 50 million in America alone?

Uh, we use violence and fear to persuade? OK, let's set up a scenario. On one side of the scale, you have 20,000 tiny notches on one one's scalpel. On the other side of the scale, you have the owner of the scalpel. Now on which side of the scale, by your reckoning, is the "violence" and "terror" which most repulses you?

Subject: RE: your website

Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001

From: Franklin Stover <NHer5@netscape.net>

To: Glory2Jesus@armyofgod.com

Dear Folks: this is just one of many opinions on the subject. The difference between you and me, however, is that I don't expect anyone to accept my point of view. You not only expect people to accept your viewpoints, you condone violence to spread your views. The audacity is you claim yourselves to be Christian.

Now briefly, this is what I have to say: if you are Christian, you therefor believe in an afterlife. I've never met a Christian who didn't believe in some form of life after death, followed by God's judgement and so on. Stating the obvious thing here, the world of man is loaded with injustice, cruelties, and everything bad you can think of. But as a Christian, I've always known about God's justice, how he deals with our corrupt world in his own way, and in his own time. While I don't agree with all sorts of things going on around me, I know that, in the Ultimate sense, God will deal with all these matters. And God will do a MUCH BETTER JOB than you or I could possibly do.

Of course, we should strive for a better society, but that also means to obey the law as Jesus would have us do. Getting back to life after death, I believe that not one soul is lost...every one is accounted for, and every soul has a chance for survival in the hereafter. The soul of a fetus can know God's love maybe better than you can possibly imagine.

Lastly, the energy you spend on hating others (abortionists) is energy you are taking out of your spiritual life-force. So, be vigilant about taking care of your own souls. Don't forget to nurture yourselves with the goodness that only God can offer. HAVE FAITH IN GOD'S WAYS. You seem to act in a way that points to insecurity and lack in faith in God's ultimacy. Get beyond the thinking of your very short life. I say this also in light of Sept.11, that we, as a people of God, place all the horrible things of the world in his hands, and to strengthen our families through prayer. I pray too, that your organization lose its vigilante agenda, and return to a more loving concept of God. Thanks

Where did you get the idea we regard violence as a way to spread views? From something we said? Or did you just assume it? Sure sounds like an unrealistic expectation to me.

Is your philosophy that since God can do everything better than we can, that we should do nothing and stay out of His way? Be careful -- that was precisely the philosophy of the servant with one talent, Matthew 25:24-30, and we know what happened to him.

So your point about a "fetus" (baby) is...that since MAYBE "it" can experience God's love better than we, that we should be content to let it die? Beware of letting speculations about the consequences of obeying God become your excuse for not obeying God.

"God's ways", you say, should be the object of our faith? Is this concept of yours something to replace obedience to God's commandments? Take a look at Proverbs 24:10-12, and tell me, do you think of God as a "vigilante"? On one hand of the scale we have an abortionist killing some 20,000 souls in his career, in return for lots of money and political power. And not just one such abortionist but hundreds. On the other hand of the scale we have a few desperate attempts to stop 3 or 4 of them. Now on which side of the scale, is it your perception, that Law is being trampled?

Subject: What's going on?

Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001

From: "Jackson Scott" <yaseloque@hotmail.com> To: glory2jesus@armyofgod.com

Dear Reverend,

I was just on your web page and I see a lot of reference to Scripture that quotes God as saying that He will punish and unleash His wrath. I urge you to remember that God, and God only, can unleash His wrath. As servants of Jesus...we are not to do it for Him.

"You have heard it was said, 'You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I say to you, LOVE YOUR ENEMIES, and pray for those who persecute you." Matthew 5:44-45

Clearly we are to love our enemies. We have no divine right to kill abortion doctors. Or do you think you are better than they are? Remember that the Bible says,

"For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God." Romans 3:23

We are all sinners. Only God can stop evil in this world and he does so by changing our hearts. We then become agents of God and by love seek to save the lost to stop evil in its tracks.

"For by grace, you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God. Not of works,lest man should boast." Ephesians 2:8-9

We are saved by God's grace through faith in Jesus Christ. Please receive this forgiveness and change direction in your life from killing abortion doctors. Remember that we are also instructed in the Bible to not repay evil for evil.

Trust in the Lord. He will defend the unborn and judge those who did not receive His forgiveness in His due time. Right now...you seem square in the path of His judgment. Forgiveness is available through Jesus Christ, our Lord. Repent come to salvation in Jesus Christ. Let go of the hate.

With Love, A Christian Brother,

JS

Dear JS,

Please compare your theory that humans cannot be agents of God's wrath with the following:

Romans 13:3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: 4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

(Notice the "higher powers" of verse one is plural; which explains why Christians have always been the most law-abiding of all citizens, when the "higher powers" agree, but have always been a thorn in government's side when they do not. Because man's laws conflict with God's laws, Christians are known for obeying the HIGHEST power. But the point is the created purpose of government is to act as an agent of God's wrath. I don't think our Declaration of Independence contradicts this principle when it speaks of the right of citizens to alter or replace their government when it fails to protect God-given rights. This seems consistent with the next passage.)

Proverbs 24:10 If thou faint in the day of adversity, thy strength is small. 11 If thou forbear to deliver them that are drawn unto death, and those that are ready to be slain; 12 If thou sayest, Behold, we knew it not; doth not he that pondereth the heart consider it? and he that keepeth thy soul, doth not he know it? and shall not he render to every man according to his works?

(Notice the scenario: not deliverence from common thieves, whose actions are in the dark, when we do not expect, so that we have no opportunity to deliver. Likewise, thieves do not have enough power over their victims to "lead" them or "draw them away" to slaughter; they cannot choose the time, manner, and place of death. They must execute on the spot, or not at all. That leaves government, for this to refer to. It is government terror which this verse especially urges us to stop! Or in the case of abortion, government-protected terror. But our point is that humans are being counted on, by God, to act as agents of His -- well, not "wrath" in this case, but "deliverance".)

OK, now it's your turn. I've given you a couple of verses to challenge your theory that humans may never act as agents of God's wrath. Now will you please let me know the Scriptures which support your view?

Your next points ramble a bit; you talks as if "love your enemies" has something to do with killing abortionists, when you should know God is Love, yet He kills people; there is not necessarily any connection. Nor does thinking oneself better than an abortionist a logical inference; not only are the two unrelated, but one does not normally kill just because one's victim is perceived to be inferior.

Of course "changing hearts" is our mission; but tell me YOUR ideas how to best achieve that change, if you would muzzle efforts to talk about the worst crime of all American history in less serious terms than it merits? How can you change hearts by soft-pedalling abomination? How do you expect to break the spell of apathy by continuing our soothing drone of "love everybody, be nice and polite, don't hurt the terrorists because they are more precious than their victims"?

Be careful that you do not fall under Paul's judgment of the Circumcision Crowd for imposing circumcision on pagan converts, not because it was Biblical, not because it was logical, but for the ulterior motive of escaping persecution.

Galatians 6:12 As many as desire to make a fair shew in the flesh, they constrain you to be circumcised; only lest they should suffer persecution for the cross of Christ. 13 For neither they themselves who are circumcised keep the law; but desire to have you circumcised, that they may glory in your flesh. 14 But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world. 15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature. 16 And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God. 17 From henceforth let no man trouble me: for I bear in my body the marks of the Lord Jesus.

Application: 12 these "prolifers" want to condemn those who have effectively stopped abortionists, in order to look good on TV; so that they don't have to be persecuted for Jesus. 13 Not that are pure pacifists themselves; they justify war, and self defense; they just don't want to defend others with the same freedom they would defend themselves.

Subject: pro-choicers love you!

Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001

From: "Spurgat, Steven" <Steven.Spurgat@miramax.com>

To: DavidsStone@hotmail.com, JesusReigns@minister.com

Dear Rev. Spitz, You are doing more now for the pro-choice movement than pro-choicers themselves could ever have done. By supporting the bombings and anthrax scares of abortion clinics and bringing terrorist Clayton Waagner to fame, the public now equates the pro-life movement with Osama Bin Laden. Even our own pro-life president must speak out against you.

There's a phrase for those who think they can do God's work, it's called a "Messiah Complex." I'm not usually a proponent of therapy, but a disorder such as yours needs some serious attention. In the meantime, pro-choicers support the Army of God and your defamation of the pro-life movement. You are God's blessing to the pro-choice movement. Keep up the good work!

Steve

P.S.- Having the word "army" in the same title as the word "God" is as moronic as it is oxymoronic. I'm sure Jesus would agree.

Uncle Ed. Sez:

Effectiveness of Truth

Since you did not say, and since it is helpful to me in knowing at what level to respond, I must assume you are not a Christian. My clues are (1) your unfamiliarity with military jargon in the Gospels, such as 2 Timothy 2:3-4 and Ephesians 6:12-17, familiar enough throughout Christendom to produce such well known hymns as "Onward Christian Soldiers". And (2) your impression that worldly acclaim of a position is a test of its soundness.

James 4:4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.

Romans 8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. 8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. 9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

1 Corinthians 1:19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent. 20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? 21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe. 22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom: 23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness; 24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God. 25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men. 26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called: 27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; 28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are: 29 That no flesh should glory in his presence. 30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption: 31 That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.

Subjects: judgment, adoption, 6th Commandment, hate assumed motive, "loving and forgiving God", Solution: education, forgiveness, and prayer

Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 16:21:02

From: "Mary Masterson" <yram36@hotmail.com>

To: Glory2Jesus@ArmyofGod.com

Who give YOU the right to judge? It says in the bible not to judge people, for that is God's job. Are you now wanting to take the job on? Where are YOU when these children you are "wanting to protect" are when they are 2 years old, being abused and tortured by parents that do not want them? Seems to me you could really be a "hero" by taking them in and loving them instead of committing murder, which by the way is one of the 10 comandments, but I guess that doesn't apply to YOU.

No, the way I see it, you judge, a sin, commit murder, a sin, and in your sick mind, somehow rationalize it your sick mind, that you are pleasing God and doing this all in the name of God.

The woman that choose abortion will have to answer to GOD. They will have to live with their choice every day. You do not preach love, you praise hate and violence. And you wonder why people question your motives. Seems to me they are self serving and NOT, Never will be, IN THE NAME OF GOD. MURDER IS MURDER AND YOU ARE CONDONING IT JUST AS IF YOU HAD PERFERMED THE ABORTION.

Read your bible. The God I know is a loving and forgiving God. You are neither from what you say and write. You prey on peoples ignorance...all in the name of God.

You too will be judged before God and then, you will understand the your actions are not what I beleive, to be what God wants. You want to end abortion, education is the only way to do that, along with prayer. So instead of advocating death and violence, why don't you advocate education, forgiveness and prayer. Seems that those traits would certainly be favorable unto God, not murdering doctors all for a "CAUSE".

America: obey it, or leave it. "Antisocial" means scorning abortion laws. Killing an abortionist is worse than abortion because abortion and abortionisticide offends God equally, while abortionisticide offends only society.

Subject: Hello Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001

From: Paul <paul@parrot.com> Reply-To: paul@parrot.com

To: Glory2Jesus@ArmyofGod.com

Howdy Reverend,

I know that there is no point in writing this, because you have had a lot of time to think about your actions and are committed to terrorism.

However, I would like to inform you that your suggestion that pro-lifers who are against clinic violence are pro-choicers in disguise is an insult to God and your cause.

I am pro-life because I am anti-murder. I don't believe that anyone should have the right to end another life.

We live in a society of laws. Whether God likes the laws or not, they are there. Your decision to scorn these laws makes you antisocial. That's what antisocial means - against society, anti-society. This is the greatest country - the greatest society - on Earth, and this country was founded on laws of freedom. There are laws that give you the right to express your opinions, and there are laws that give doctors the right to go to perform abortions. If you don't like the laws, then you don't belong here.

The insanity that you perpetuate destroys lives just as assuredly as abortion doctors do. Your disrespect for life is just as great an insult to God as abortion is - and unlike abortion, it is also an insult to society. That makes you a terrorist. And as recent events have shown, terrorists are enemies of humanity.

By the time you see the error of your ways, it will be too late. You'll be on the express train to your master suite in Hotel Hell. If you don't believe me, just wait a while. Have a nice trip.

Ashamed of my own first name, Paul

Subjects: Shaming God, 6th Commandment, Vengeance (let God enforce His own laws), inability to distinguish Biblical violence from ungodly violence, anger assumed to be our motive.

Subject: Clay Waagner

Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001

From: "Scott Harman" <jesusisking8@hotmail.com>

To: PraiseJesus@ArmyofGod.com

Clay Waagner is a terrorist. Period.

Anyone who seeks to do violence and inspire fear in the name of God pervert's His Will and sullies His Name. The perpetrators of this terrible crime in Septermber were causing death and inspiring fear in God's Name, as well. Can we not agree that this was wrong? Can we not agree that the people who took control of those planes are burning in the fires of Hell? Truly -- what is different between their actions and Clay Waagner's threats?

As far as I can see, Clay has repeatedly (and admittedly) broken one of God's most sacred commandments - by stealing cars, trucks and handguns. He covets his neighbor's property. He has gleefully and self-righteously threatened to break another one. Honestly, where is the ambiguity in "Thou Shalt Not Kill?"

Fighting fire with fire just burns more things up. Leave the fire to Satan.

Judgement and vengeance are best left to him. Anyone he judges unworthy of heaven will not go there. Period. I understand where your anger comes from - that these doctors are also breaking one of God's most sacred laws. However, God can enforce is own laws. To suggest that the Almighty needs us imperfect humans to do His Will is to underestimate Him, and to show a disturbing lack of faith in His perfect plan for all of us.

I hope He will turn your heart away from evil, hatred and fear. They do not add to His Glory.

In His Name, Scott Harman

Subjects: judging, 6th Commandment, preachers are sinners, adoption, birth control, rot in Hell, Satan better than you,

Subject: Please tell me...

Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001

From: "D T" <cruciatio@hotmail.com

To: Glory2Jesus@ArmyofGod.com

Who appointed you to be "god", rewrite the bible and the ten commandments as you see fit and justify killing with murder and acts of destruction? How many people do you think Jesus killed - he didn't even kill the Romans who nailed him to a tree.

Do you support the "priests" and "reverends" of the world who rape little children? Do you support people bearing children and leaving them in dumpsters to die? Or maybe you support having babies dying because their mothers can't afford to feed them. But wait - like the rest of you overzealous idiots, you probably don't support birth control - so who do you think caused this problem? Maybe the brainwashed morons who actually believe this self-contradicting voodoo you preach?

The world will surely rejoice when you're rotting in hell and Satan, being more righteous than yourself (and quite probably having a family tree that actually branched), is washing his feet in your blood.

Get a clue or get off my planet.

Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001

From: "Marguerite B. Klotz" <mklotz@hotmail.com>

To: glory2jesus@armyofgod.com

YOU MAKE ME SICK!

Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001

From: "Mark Ustan" <markt643@hotmail.com>

To: PraiseJesus@ArmyofGod.com

Waagner says god has spoken to him. Why didn't god tell him to take a shower ?

He is yet another hillbilly who's suckered by organizations like yours.

You are terrorists and i hope you prosecuted.

You know nothing about religion.

Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001

From: marshall <mars2@pacbell.net

To: Glory2Jesus@ArmyofGod.com

You people are sick and twisted , and very much in the minority , you do know that don't you?"Army of God " ...what ignorant dangerous militant fools you must be . What do you know about "God" . What you readin the Bible ? The book that is full of genocide and murderand rape ? You are in Virginia isn't that right ? Marvelous state that produces Tobacco that kills more people every year thanheroin and all the other illegal & legal drugs in the worldand by automobiles ....and by abortion all together.What hypocrites and ignorant dangerous people you must be....and completely blind to truth.

Uncle Ed. Sez: Don has a swell setting where he can automatically send emails to his "delete" file that contain profanity. He has to enter each cuss word that should activate the delete. But a few have gotten through. Cursing doesn't necessarily merit a "no response" in my book, but I deleted them because they contained no other lucid points worth reading or responding to. This email is an example, though without a cuss word. Actually this is more interesting than the others. Compounding Don's villainy, this writer explains, is his residence in a tobacco-growing state. If only we knew the home state of the writer so we could think of some insult for him! And of course Don is suspect for relying on the Bible which is "so full of genocide and murder and rape".

Now let me address your second email. You label your first email as "eye opening", and express surprise that Don's site survived it. I take that as humor meant to take the edge off your first email, and I appreciate it. Then you reveal that you wish you had been aborted! You express jealousy of aborted babies who get to go to Heaven without all the sorrow you have experienced!

There is a little leap of logic next, but the missing step which is implied is that you think abortionists perform a wonderful service by giving these 50 million babies the "gift" you never had, the "gift" of oblivion from physical existence! It appears to be from that perspective that you long for these kind abortionists to be helped rather than harmed.

Your final point is that abortionists need to be pointed in the right direction and they will be OK. But you see, stating the truth about the seriousness of abortion -- that it is so serious, that it even justifies stopping it -- seems to us the most effective way to break through the apathetic fog that blinds abortionists and their supporters. Proclaiming the full seriousness of sin has always seemed the work of God's prophets throughout the Bible.

I wish I could just "mind meld" with you the way the fictitious Spock does, to transmit to you, in an instant, the full appreciation for life on earth which I have acquired from Scripture and living with God. Your letter has made me decide to put my manuscript of a book I have half finished on my website. I was holding off because of all I have written, this holds promise of being a best seller, which might be compromised by prepublication on the Web. But this book provides all the answers you are craving, I am convinced, and maybe others need it too, now, before it can be made available commercially.

It is called "The Angel Diaries". It has a humorous plot, the diaries of "Justinus", an angel, who dropped his diary into the Grand Canyon during Noah's Flood, which was unearthed by archeologists only recently. But through that literary device I am able to explain, in simple and humorous language, some of the most profound mysteries of creation, and the purpose of life, and the nature of consciousness, sin, Hell, and what it was like for God before He created other souls, that I have ever imagined. As I write this to you I'm not exactly sure what file name I will give it, but just look a little on my site and you should find it soon.

Meanwhile let me just drop a couple of clues to the meaning of life on earth.

Ecclesiastes 2:24 says "there is nothing better for a man, than that he should eat, and drink, and enjoy the good of, his labor." (I added that last comma, but it is not inaccurate since Hebrew has no commas and all punctuation must be "supplied"; and I think it is what Solomon meant.) Work, in other words, is the purpose of life. Intriguing, since we thought work was the curse God gave Adam in Genesis 3 for his disobedience! Turns out work was kind of a going away present from Eden!

Then in Luke 12 we learn that the curse of Eden is reversed if, instead of disobeying God as Adam did, we "seek first the Kingdom of Heaven". If we do, then "all these things shall be added to you" which Adam was told he would have to work for. Jesus said DON'T work for your food, etc! Work for God and He will provide your needs just as He initially provided for Adam until he disobeyed!

Another clue is Matthew 25 where the reward for doing our work is even MORE work! We double our talents as God requires and for every talent we have here, we must be responsible for an entire city in Heaven! Meanwhile, the penalty for not working, for not doubling our talents, is, according to the parable, Hell.

The very work which weighs you down, the difficulty, the challenges which seem so "unheavenly" to you, turn out to be your ticket to paradise! Of course, more problems than you can imagine ever overcoming, combined with doubt that makes you assume you never will, may be the essence of Hell. So you have a great choice: believe Jesus' awesome promises to answer prayer, and work your tail off, and taste victory, and rejoice; or not try, and fail, and be absolutely miserable and alone.

John 16:23 And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you. 24 Hitherto have ye asked nothing in my name: ask, and ye shall receive, that your joy may be full.

Thanks for writing! God bless you; thanks for wanting to fill your void! Look over my website, and write again sometime.

Subject: Any relation to...

Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 09:37:29 -0700

From: "DW_RE_S" <smartasp@msn.com

To: <glory2jesus@armyofgod.com

I was looking at your web page today and I have a question: Are you any relation to Osama bin Laden?The reason for the question is that it seems as if both of you have taken the Bible/Qur'an (Koran) and translated it to fit your bizarre ideas.

I know you think you are doing the right thing, just as Adolph Hitler did; instead of using the Bible, he wrote his own book, Mein Kampf. Several years ago, due to a bad case of ennui, I read the translation. After separating reality from theory, I came to the conclusion that in theory, it isn't a bad idea. In reality, it is a very, very stupid idea based on ignorance. I agree somewhat with your ideas on abortion.

Because you claim to be a religious man and believe in God and like to quote scripture, do you remember the parable where Jesus has forgiven an adulteress and all of the "religious" leaders are in an uproar and wanted to stone her? Then Jesus said, (John 8) "Whoso is without sin of you, let him first cast a stone at her."* Are you sure you should be "casting stones"?

The Roe v. Wade ruling was dumb and stupid. There should not be a law covering abortion. The decision to have an abortion should be up to that person and their God. The decision should not be based on terror tactics!

I'm sure you think you are condemning the abortionists to hell. I hope you like each and every one of the dead abortionists that died because of your teaching/preaching because, in my opinion, the irony of your actions is that you will be spending eternity with them. The decision where you spend eternity, of course, is up to God, his Son and you (another "trinity").

Sincerely Yours,

Dale W. Schunke

* http://www.bible.ca/history/fathers/NPNF1-07/npnf1-07-38.htm

Subject: (no subject)

Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001

From: CountryDan42002@aol.com

To: Glory2Jesus@armyofgod.com

again im writing to tell you what your doing is wrong that and almost none of the verses have nothing to do with being pro life

Uncle Ed. Sez:

(prolife verses)

Don has forwarded your note to me, to answer on behalf of our mutual interests. I did not get your previous note; if you would care to send those points again to me I will try to address them. I am enclosing some information on prolife verses.